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Couatl64_P3D.exe - Entry Point Not Found **WINDOWS 7 is no longer supported**
virtuali:
--- Quote from: Captain Lars on March 05, 2022, 02:44:13 am ---Is there any downside of not using the 64Bit version, any functionality missing? I run Windows 7 64Bit and P3D 4.5 HF2.
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I think you'll lose the Custom camera views, because those are only available in the P3D4.5+ version of Simconnect, but the 32 bit version is linked with the FSX Simconnect, which doesn't have those. But I think this is better than being cut off from ALL future updates, which would have been the case if you used an older installer (installed with the network disconnected).
Other than that, I don't think there would be any real differences, since Couatl.exe it's a separate executable, it has its own separate 4GB address space, which is even overkill considering it hardly takes more than 200-300MB of RAM.
--- Quote ---For the time being, the work-around is fine, but I still think you should fix this (despite of what you explained).
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Sorry, but I don't agree.
We are free from any support obligation to do anything for Windows 7 in January 2020, when it went completely out of support, and asking to do anything for Windows 7 now, more than 2 years later, is just as unreasonable as asking to continue to support Windows XP, which we also used to support years ago.
OS do have a life cycle, and the one for Windows 7 ended 2 years ago, and this is completely irrelevant how good/bad it was, it's not OUR decision when and how stop supporting it, it has been decided by Microsoft years ago, they started to alert users a long time ago, and when you decide against all common sense to continue to use an unsupported OS years past its due date, you do it at your own risk and you must be prepared to accept the consequences, for example not being able to find an older installer.
You want to live dangerously and stay with an old OS forever ? ( nothing last "forever" anyway, your PC will break or you would want a new one, which will come with Windows 10 or 11 ) Fine, but the first thing you should do, is a BACKUP of all installers of the software you bought, because you just can't expect the vendor would keep legacy installers always available. Bandwidth and disk space on the cloud is NOT free, it has a monthly cost that is based both on the bandwidth used but also the space taken so, it has some extra cost for us, even if nobody downloads it, and that's just another aspect of what stopping support means.
A real world example anybody can understand:
When Apple stopped selling 32 bit iPhone/iPad/Macs, they started alerting developers that 32 bit apps at first won't be accepted anymore in their App Store, and eventually they would be phased out.
When this happened, hundreds of thousands of apps were REMOVED from the App Store, they were lost forever unless a local backup of the installer was made, but it was no longer possible to download them again from Apple, without even considering they won't run on newer OS or devices anyway, but that's not really the point, the point was you couldn't DOWNLOAD anymore, even if you bought them, even if you wanted to use them on the older OS or the older device they were brought from.
I'm sure if Apple did anything wrong or not 100% completely legal, class actions/suits would have happened, and this is exactly the same. You want to use a legacy OS/device past its due date ? Fine, but backups are your own responsibility, you can't put that onus on the developer, forever.
Well, in fact, is not even "the same", because Apple being in control of the complete hardware/software/marketplace system, was the only one deciding when and how cutting off legacy apps from users, we mostly depend on what Microsoft does with its updates and tools.
Captain Lars:
FSDT is updated via the updater. You press the button and that's it. The updater tells you nothing about a new installer being available, or that you stopped supporting Windows 7. Actually I keep an awful lot of old installers, but I simply wasn't aware that something like this was going to happen.
I couldn't care less about Windows 10, as long as it works for me, it works. It's not "reckless", it's self-determined. The Apple example you cited confirms my choice never to buy an Apple product. Apple is for people who like to live on the receiving end, it seems.
Any chance you could leave an installer of beginning of february here on dropbox or anywhere for the folks in this thread?
virtuali:
--- Quote from: Captain Lars on March 05, 2022, 08:39:23 pm ---FSDT is updated via the updater. You press the button and that's it. The updater tells you nothing about a new installer being available, or that you stopped supporting Windows 7.
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That's because we don't know, for sure, Windows 7 would stop to work NOW. It was nice it worked until now so, instead, are you suggesting we should have intentionally BANNED Windows 7 from the updater 2 YEARS ago, when official support ended so, on January 2020 ?
--- Quote ---Actually I keep an awful lot of old installers, but I simply wasn't aware that something like this was going to happen.
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This is going to happen for all your software, eventually, some soon, some later. I don't think you could possibly say you didn't know Windows 7 died 2 years ago, Microsoft surely must have sent you plenty of alerts about the phasing out.
Which means, from January 2020, you should have started to keep BACKUP of EVERY software you buy, that's a general rule, it's really not relevant to FSDT.
--- Quote ---I couldn't care less about Windows 10, as long as it works for me, it works. It's not "reckless", it's self-determined. The Apple example you cited confirms my choice never to buy an Apple product. Apple is for people who like to live on the receiving end, it seems.
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You are free to do your wrong decisions, I'm not not contesting them ( you will get Windows 10 or 11, eventually, hardware is not ethereal ), I only cited Apple to point out, as being so much in the public scrutiny as they are, it's clear if they did *anything* that wasn't entirely legal, we would have know by now.
So, clearly, there's no such thing as a right to continue to use an obsolete product on an obsolete OS combined to the right to always be able to redownload it at any time.
That's what the point I was trying to make. Surely Apple couldn't arbitrarily remove an obsolete program IF YOU MADE A BACKUP OF, so they obviously didn't do that, but you cannot expect or demand for the software vendors to let you access their download infrastructure to get a copy of the legacy installer which you didn't do a backup for, at any time, without any foreseeable time limitation.
--- Quote ---Any chance you could leave an installer of beginning of february here on dropbox or anywhere for the folks in this thread?
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Dropbox sharing has limits, is not really meant for public releases, once you exceed a certain transfer quota ( which is easy to surpass with a 2.5 GB
installer like GSX ), Dropbox will block the account so no, it's not a workable solution.
Using the 32 bit version of Couatl.exe, which seems to work, is WAY better, because this way you can continue to get updates.
Captain Lars:
Can you or anyone please point me to the place where you can download this 2.6 GB installer (generally and even for the current one)? The one I found here https://www.fsdreamteam.com/products_gsx.html has 634 KB, which means no 'game'-files like textures etc. are included. Also it says "last updated 30-gen-22" which I suppose means 'gennaio' = january.
Or how am I supposed to build an installer including game-files worth of 2.6 GB out of it? How to do this?
virtuali:
The small installer only downloads the rest of the file, which are more recent, since there's no need to keep updating the smaller installer (that's the point).
If you are asking for an older installer that might work on Windows 7, then no, no point asking, because we don't have it. As already discussed, the best solution is NOT using a older installer and be forever cut off from updates, but rather using the 32 bit version of the Couatl executable, which seems to work, so you can continue getting updates.
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