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FSDT Black Friday 2021 Info - Charlotte Douglas for MSFS is out!
« on: November 24, 2021, 12:34:49 pm »
Hello forum users:

Today we start our Black Friday sale week, with all our products discounted 30%. To get the discount, you must add this code on the "Redeem Code" input field, in the shopping page:

BLACK2021

The Sale lasts from today, November 24th 2021, to December 1st 2021, it's also available on Simmarket and will be available on the MS Marketplace.


Charlotte Douglas for MSFS released

We released today the new version of our popular scenery for Charlotte Douglas - KCLT for MSFS 2020. It's an heavily updated version of the P3D version, with new the terminal A concourse, the new Control Tower, full PBR texturing, and extensive use of LOD levels to get very good fps, as required with the latest MSFS updates.

You can buy it from this page:

https://order.shareit.com/product?catalogid=300959243&productid=301015880&vendorid=200281737

And yes, it's included in the Black Friday promotion. Also, if you are a user of the previous version, an upgrade price is available for you as well, you'll receive an email with instructions on the email your existing copy of KCLT is registered to.

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Re: FSDT Black Friday 2021 Info - Charlotte Douglas for MSFS is out!
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2021, 10:43:58 pm »
Yes, but there are those of us that do not have the MSFS2020 but are running the P3D and FSX versions of flight simulator and we are still waiting for the new update. I have been waiting on this new update for over 3 years. The P3D and FSX is a MUCH larger market than the MSFS2020 and these should have been updated first, and we have been buying your products for years. How much longer is it going to before we get the update for P3D? There are many people upset by the fact that the focus is on MSFS2020 rather than those that are running P3D versions and have been buying products here for those versions for years.

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Re: FSDT Black Friday 2021 Info - Charlotte Douglas for MSFS is out!
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2021, 01:55:19 pm »
The P3D and FSX is a MUCH larger market than the MSFS2020

And you are basing your statement on which real world data ? Do you have something more accurate than, for example, actual data sales or real products ? Users are voting with their wallets and, right now, they are mostly buying MSFS products. Users are always right, regardless how we like/don't like a sim.

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How much longer is it going to before we get the update for P3D?

We announced a while ago, the only product that will continue to be supported in FSX/P3D is GSX. Initially, we thought porting KCLT to MSFS would have been easy and, we could create a P3D version out of it but, instead, it took a lot of reworking, remodeling, retexturing, and we used so many native features of MSFS that would now be impossible to port it back to P3D.

We were faced with those options:

- make an inferior MSFS version, which might have been ported back easily to P3D.

- make a proper MSFS version, using lots of features not available in P3D like custom taxiway lights using splines with custom meshes, ground polygons with colorization and smooth borders, hundreds of dynamic lights with almost zero effect on fps, terraformed terrain all over the airport, vegetation polygons generating native ultra-fast shader-based MSFS trees instead of the old polygonal trees we had before, custom airport roads to fix bad aerial data, automatic generation of volumetric grass, hundreds of MSFS native 3d taxiway signs, MSFS-specific LOD levels for each object tuned with the MSFS LOD debugger and many others.

All these MSFS features we used can't simply ported back to P3D, but they make for a better MSFS version and we would had to spend so much time doing an hypothetical P3D version that, in the same time, we might do another airport for MSFS, which will just sell more than a P3D upgrade.

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Re: FSDT Black Friday 2021 Info - Charlotte Douglas for MSFS is out!
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2021, 10:56:47 pm »
Oh, what you're saying is that you people no longer give a damn about those running P3Dv4 and 5 simulators! This is outright showing disrespect and bad customer service to those that have purchase products from you for years and are running P3Dv4 and 5. You just drop them as though they are no longer important because you say that they're purchasing sceneries for MSFS2020. Sure they're purchasing the sceneries for MSFS2020 because that's what you're pushing and you have no updated sceneries for the P3Ds. Therefore, they cannot purchase those for P3Ds and they're not getting counted. That is why your so called data is showing more purchases for the FSFS2020. If you had those updated sceneries for P3Dv4 and 5, they would be purchasing them and would most likely out sell those that are running MSFS2020. But that is not the point here! The point is showing due diligence and good customer service to those that are running P3Dv 4 and 5 and have bought products from you for years. So don't give me this business about users are always right regardless to how we feel about MSFS2020. Those running MSFS2020 are no better than those running P3Dv 4 and 5, and these simulators are NOT old nor out of date. Those of us who are running P3Dv 4 and 5 have a right to be able to purchase those updated sceneries. You say you can't port back to P3D, which means we do not get the updated sceneries and we just have to continue to use what we have. That is not good enough and shows bad customer service. You could design those for P3Dv 4 and 5 first, and then MSFS2020. That is the fair thing to do! I'm not trying to be rude here but the fact remains that y'all have made a lot of people angry, including myself, simply because you no longer want to make updated sceneries for those airports that you have already made for the P3D simulators and that is bad customer service!

Also, I have always been very disappointed in how the developers have numbered almost every gate on the tarmac at the Dallas Fortworth International airport incorrectly and I have never been able to figure that one out because those gate numbers have never been changed since the release of the FSDT KDFW product.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2021, 12:31:22 am »
Oh, what you're saying is that you people no longer give a damn about those running P3Dv4 and 5 simulators!

That's not what I'm saying, obviously.

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This is outright showing disrespect and bad customer service to those that have purchase products from you for years and are running P3Dv4 and 5. You just drop them as though they are no longer important because you say that they're purchasing sceneries for MSFS2020.

Wrong, we keep our most important product, that is GSX, fully supported in P3D 4 and 5.


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Sure they're purchasing the sceneries for MSFS2020 because that's what you're pushing and you have no updated sceneries for the P3Ds. Therefore, they cannot purchase those for P3Ds and they're not getting counted. That is why your so called data is showing more purchases for the FSFS2020. If you had those updated sceneries for P3Dv4 and 5, they would be purchasing them and would most likely out sell those that are running MSFS2020.

I was fairly sure you would try to use this argument, as if we couldn't read or understand our sales data. We are NOT comparing current sales of P3D sceneries NOW, we are comparing MSFS 2020 sales to P3D sales in 2017/2018/2019 BEFORE MSFS was announced, P3D was in its heyday.

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But that is not the point here! The point is showing due diligence and good customer service to those that are running P3Dv 4 and 5 and have bought products from you for years

Sorry, but that's precisely the point. We just go where the customers are, we follow their choices. This is good customer service. We can't expect ALL ( like 100% of them ) would do exactly the same thing at the same time so, there might still somebody still using FS9 or FSX even years from now, that doesn't mean it would be right, sane or making any business sense to still support those sims, and even there we had "customers that bought products for years", since we started when FS9 was the only sim, and we heard the same complains over and over so many times a new sim comes out, and we explained we couldn't support them all, because our time is limited, so can only fully commit to one sim at the time.

And again, the sound technical reasons why it's not easy to port back an MSFS to P3D don't have anything to do with "customer service", they are simply what they are and, the only way we could support them both with a new scenery, would make an *inferior* product for MSFS, which IS "bad customer service" to MSFS users.

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Re: FSDT Black Friday 2021 Info - Charlotte Douglas for MSFS is out!
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2021, 04:58:48 am »
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That's not what I'm saying, obviously.

But that's exactly what you're doing!


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Wrong, we keep our most important product, that is GSX, fully supported in P3D 4 and 5.

GSX is NOT the topic here! The topic is updated airport sceneries for those running P3Ds!


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We are NOT comparing current sales of P3D sceneries NOW, we are comparing MSFS 2020 sales to P3D sales in 2017/2018/2019 BEFORE MSFS was announced, P3D was in its heyday.

NOBODY is interested in the comparison of sales data! We're interested in due diligence and providing good customer service to those running P3Ds by providing them with updated airport sceneries as you should! P3Ds are NOT in its heyday! 


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We just go where the customers are, we follow their choices.

But every customer out there is NOT a MSFS2020 user, and there are a lot more P3D users out there than users running MSFS2020!   
 

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there might still somebody still using FS9 or FSX even years from now, that doesn't mean it would be right, sane or making any business sense to still support those sims

We're not asking that you support these sims! You were supporting both the FSX and the P3Ds and there's no reason why you cannot support the P3Ds and MSFS2020! The P3D sims ARE NOT old and out of date and there are more than enough users to support them! The P3Ds have not been out nowhere near long enough for developers not to support them! It appears that this is about having everyone to purchase a new sim every 4 or 5 damn years and then having to purchase more airport sceneries and aircraft addons for the new sim! 


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the only way we could support them both with a new scenery, would make an *inferior* product for MSFS, which IS "bad customer service" to MSFS users.
So what you're suggesting is to ignore the P3D users by not providing them with the updated airport sceneries, which is bad customer service for the P3Ds users, just so you can provide good customer service to those running MSFS2020! You people just no longer give a damn about those running P3Ds and there is NO reason why you cannot have a developer making sceneries for P3Ds and another developer make sceneries for MSFS2020! The P3D users have a right to these updated airport sceneries and there are more P3D users than MSFS2020 users! 




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Re: FSDT Black Friday 2021 Info - Charlotte Douglas for MSFS is out!
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2021, 05:05:08 pm »
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GSX is NOT the topic here! The topic is updated airport sceneries for those running P3Ds!

It obviously is, since it proves that we don't stop P3D products randomly "just because", but only depending on their commercial feasibility. GSX, by default, sells way more than any airport scenery so, even if P3D users are far less now, they are still enough to make the P3D version profitable, which is not happening with airports.

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NOBODY is interested in the comparison of sales data! We're interested in due diligence and providing good customer service to those running P3Ds by providing them with updated airport sceneries as you should!

First, you should stop talking about yourself in the plural since, clearly, your own opinion is yours only. And yes, sorry to rain on your parade but, sales data are the only thing that matters when deciding which products are being developed.

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P3Ds are NOT in its heyday!

You still don't understand: I said we compared *past* P3D sales with *current* MSFS sales, for the obvious reason to compare the two sim under the same conditions, and still MSFS is clearly on top, and it's has been only out for less than 1.5 years. It can only go up.

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But every customer out there is NOT a MSFS2020 user, and there are a lot more P3D users out there than users running MSFS2020!   

Again your made-up statistic that doesn't have any sort of evidence to back it up. Something we do have, of course, with sales data you don't seem to understand.
 
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It appears that this is about having everyone to purchase a new sim every 4 or 5 damn years

Last time I checked, major versions of P3D come out even faster than "4/5" years and, last time I checked, you must repurchase it in full each time so, what exactly is the difference between purchasing a new P3D every X years, or a different simulator ?
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2021, 10:57:32 pm »
Also, I removed your extremely rude post against EasternT32, I ask you to refrain using such tone, because personally attacking other forum users is not tolerated.

I'm not banning you ( even if you deserved it ), so you wouldn't be able to use to say something like "I was supporting P3D, and they banned me" so, that's just a reminder to stop attacking other users.

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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2021, 01:02:35 pm »
Ok, I removed ALL messages of users needlessly attacking other users. Next time it happens, banning for everybody involved. And, since Black Friday ended, the topic is now closed.