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Choice of Ground Handler - How to set preferences?
Fragtality:
--- Quote ---1) If the operator was related to the airplane you are flying, you would end up in the very unrealistic situation of your own operator following you everywhere in the world, which is of course wrong. Just because you are a Scandinavian airplane, would you expect to get your Scandinavian crew when you land in Africa ? So, linking the operator to your airplane livery is wrong.
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That was not what I asked for and not what I intend with that feature request! I meant a LIST, or described in another way: an array. MULTIPLE Values ;)
And what I meant with "to be checked on operator election": this preferences list is checked against the local available operators. If no match with the preferences list -> standard behaviour.
--- Quote ---2) If the operator was related JUST to the parking airline codes, similar wrong situations will happen, because parking codes usually shows code-sharing partners at overseas airport. If you are a United airplane and land at Frankfurt, it would be also unrealistic to be served by a United crew in Germany JUST because EDDF has several gates with UAL codes, because they are used by UAL too.
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Hmm - good point! Maybe something like ... I don't know ... a preferences list could help with that? ;D
--- Quote ---The way GSX works if the most correct, for the following reasons:
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--- Quote ---That's why, what GSX does right now is the most realistic choice, which is: [...]
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--- Quote ---So, the current system offers already an extremely high level of realism and flexibility. Nothing is "RANDOM", when there's some randomization involved, it's always between PLAUSIBLE operators.
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Uhm ... and why is it that I get offered AEE at EDDF? And why is it that it is sometimes picked as GSX Default Choice?
Thats completely unrealistic even with an AEE Aircraft. AEE is handled by FraPort Ground Services, they have no own operator there!
https://www.frankfurt-airport.com/de/airlines/a3.html
Interesting fact: SAS is handled by Lufthansa xD
--- Quote ---The only thing we might possibly add, is some kind of relationship between your airline and the operator choice, provided the operator has already been selected according to the airport ICAO rules and the scenery parking codes so, it will be like an extra filter, but I guess it must be a one-to-many relationship, for example a list of all the "preferred" operators of your airline.
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OK! I'll take that instead :D
It's described in another way, but that is exactly my intent ;D
I even would offer to help coding that feature ^^
virtuali:
--- Quote from: Fragtality on July 21, 2020, 01:06:46 pm ---That was not what I asked for and not what I intend with that feature request! I meant a LIST, or described in another way: an array. MULTIPLE Values ;)
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Which is precisely what I said we might do, when I said "one-to-many relationship"
--- Quote ---Hmm - good point! Maybe something like ... I don't know ... a preferences list could help with that?
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I'm not following you here.
--- Quote ---Uhm ... and why is it that I get offered AEE at EDDF? And why is it that it is sometimes picked as GSX Default Choice?
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You are now confusing the METHOD used by GSX, with the actual database. The method is obviously sound, but we cannot possibly be sure all rules has been setup correctly in the default rules files. WHICH IS WHY, GSX being the incredibly flexible program it is, allows you to even override the stock rules!
--- Quote ---Thats completely unrealistic even with an AEE Aircraft.
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I think I said it already: nothing of the user aircraft has any effect over the choice of the ground operator.
--- Quote --- AEE is handled by FraPort Ground Services, they have no own operator there!
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I checked and no, GSX DOES NOT assign AEE at EDDF. There's only ONE operator with a score of 4 at EDDF and it is, guess what, Fraport ( obviously ). AEE only has a score of 2 at airports with ICAO codes starting with LG so, it has no chance to be chosen at EDDF.
Of course, I tried it in the sim as well right now, and I got Fraport with no choice menu, which is the intended behavior when only one operator has the highest score.
Fragtality:
--- Quote ---Which is precisely what I said we might do, when I said "one-to-many relationship"
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Then we have now established that we basically want the same thing :)
Is there anything we (the users) could do to change the "we might do" to a "we will do it someday"? ;)
--- Quote ---I'm not following you here.
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Sorry, just a bad joke, not important anymore.
--- Quote ---You are now confusing the METHOD used by GSX, with the actual database. The method is obviously sound, but we cannot possibly be sure all rules has been setup correctly in the default rules files. WHICH IS WHY, GSX being the incredibly flexible program it is, allows you to even override the stock rules!
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--- Quote ---I think I said it already: nothing of the user aircraft has any effect over the choice of the ground operator.
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I didn't mean to question the method nor the database. It was a general question to why I get that result described earlier.
--- Quote ---I checked and no, GSX DOES NOT assign AEE at EDDF. There's only ONE operator with a score of 4 at EDDF and it is, guess what, Fraport ( obviously ). AEE only has a score of 2 at airports with ICAO codes starting with LG so, it has no chance to be chosen at EDDF.
Of course, I tried it in the sim as well right now, and I got Fraport with no choice menu, which is the intended behavior when only one operator has the highest score.
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In that case I kindly ask for help/support :) I've tested just now in the sim, and it does assign AEE (see attachment). So what is wrong with my installation/configuration?!
It's the same when I use the standard/internal configuration and only modify A17 for DLH,AEE,SAS,TAP.
With no modification I get no menu to select an operator (the AFCAD has only DLH on A17) - I don't know if Fraport or Lufthansa is choosen (can't see it due to render-texture and P3D V5).
Is there another way how I can see which operator was assigned (I already looked in the log file)?
virtuali:
--- Quote from: Fragtality on July 22, 2020, 02:42:56 pm ---In that case I kindly ask for help/support :) I've tested just now in the sim, and it does assign AEE (see attachment). So what is wrong with my installation/configuration?!
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Not possible to say without knowing:
- Which scenery you use
- If you customized ( and how ) it with GSX profile
- If you haven't customized it yourself, if you are using a GSX profile made by somebody else ( either scenery developer or another user )
- If you have changed anything in the rules files.
--- Quote ---Is there another way how I can see which operator was assigned (I already looked in the log file)?
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GSX will always say "Handling by ..." when you select a gate. Not that this matters: you should haven't see a menu to begin with, not at EDDF.
Fragtality:
Sorry, here the missing informations ::)
Simulator: P3D v5 HF2
Scenery: AS Frankfurt Professional 2.0.1.0, AFCAD not modified (and OrbX, but shouldn't matter?)
Location: EDDF A17 (has only set DLH in the AFCAD)
Customization:
- rules files not modified (deleted them and did a live update, just in case something else did)
- With no GSX profile / customization: No menu, Fraport is choosen
- User Customization through GSX UI, setting DLH,SAS,AEE,TAP as airlinecodes for A17 (nothing else): All for airlines are offered, Fraport is not offered, default choice is one of these 4 airlines ("random" / equal points).
- With Cartayna VX file/profile (same airline codes as above): the same result (latest files from simmarket)
- Even when I add _FRA,FRAPORT (plus the 4 airlinecodes): Fraport is offered, but the default choice picks something from the list
My impression is that customizing the airport is breaking/ignoring the scoring system - is it intended that these features collide? Is it an either or between these two?
It's like airbadger and couger stated before: the user has to edit the airport config in advance. Somekind of relation between airline and operator (like you described) is needed.
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