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torsten:
Hello,

during the last test i just started the Sim and selected GSX->request Boarding.
after that the complete service is started. ( i have set up the Automode in GSX )

First thing, after selecting "request Boarding" all the vehicles appiers around the Position, Stairs , trucks ...
But first the Baggage Trucks are driving away .... hehe where are you going :-)
As i see on the Airports the Trucks are Loaded and start loading directly.
Can that be changed, that the Trucks are loaded and do not drive away first , load the baggage and then come back ?

Second thing, it seams the sequence is a little bit wrong. During the loding of the passengers the Fuel Truck arrives.
Can that be correct?
I think first shuld the Fuel truck arrive and after refueling the loading of passengers should start, not before refuling is completet.
Correct me if i am wrong.

Also , i think you know where your vehicles are located during the Sequence, but the Service Trucks drives over the Fuel Truck :-)
No the Fuel Truck and the Service Truck is broken :-)
Also, some times the Baggage Truck drives under the Wings of the B7378 and i think tht is not allowed in real.

A little wish is a bit more control about the Sequnce and some other things.
1. can we hve a nice Girl opening the Doors ?
2. in the GSX Setup, can we have a setup for the weight of the pax?
--> i am using Prosim737 and have no control about the Pax weight, which is a bit too less. So GSX loas all the Time a incorrect amount of Pax.
When i , as example , load 1 Pax via Prosim, his weight is only 70 kg ( i know, too less, but i can not change this )
It would be great if i can set up GSX to use the same weight then Prosim is using.

Thx

virtuali:

--- Quote from: torsten on January 02, 2019, 11:27:32 pm ---First thing, after selecting "request Boarding" all the vehicles appiers around the Position, Stairs , trucks ...
But first the Baggage Trucks are driving away .... hehe where are you going :-)
As i see on the Airports the Trucks are Loaded and start loading directly.
Can that be changed, that the Trucks are loaded and do not drive away first , load the baggage and then come back ?
--- End quote ---

This is normal, not a bug, and has been like this since GSX has been released in 2012. The loaders that starts on a parking, are the ones which will be used for Deboarding. If you call Boarding, loaders will come from far away, so the ones that were supposed to be used for Deboarding will go away.


--- Quote ---Second thing, it seams the sequence is a little bit wrong. During the loding of the passengers the Fuel Truck arrives. Can that be correct? I think first shuld the Fuel truck arrive and after refueling the loading of passengers should start, not before refuling is completet. Correct me if i am wrong.
--- End quote ---

Of course is correct. The whole point of allowing simultaneous servicing is to shorten turnaround time and, since refueling is the service that takes most of the time, it arrives first.


--- Quote ---Also , i think you know where your vehicles are located during the Sequence, but the Service Trucks drives over the Fuel Truck
--- End quote ---

They usually don't but, as explained so many times on the forum, vehicles are not aware of each other (you assumed this, but it would cause a big fps hit if we had each vehicle to check the position of all the others, at each frame), so we can only play with sequence of operations and time delays, which won't guarantee this will never happen.


--- Quote ---Also, some times the Baggage Truck drives under the Wings of the B7378 and i think tht is not allowed in real.
--- End quote ---

As explained so many times on the forum, depending on were you parked, how the airplane is configured, how the parking is made, how the scenery is made, how the AFCAD nodes are made, how the vehicle is made, how many carts it has, how long it is, ALL OF THESE have an impact on the path chosen.

What you can do, is customize the vehicle starting positions but, again, there's no guaranteed they will always do a realistic path under ALL the other conditions.


--- Quote -----> i am using Prosim737 and have no control about the Pax weight, which is a bit too less. So GSX loas all the Time a incorrect amount of Pax.
--- End quote ---

Which is why, you have the option in GSX to DISABLE the "Estimate passenger number", so GSX won't try to guess their number by the weight, and will just ASK you to enter the exact number of passengers on board.

torsten:

--- Quote ---This is normal, not a bug, and has been like this since GSX has been released in 2012. The loaders that starts on a parking, are the ones which will be used for Deboarding. If you call Boarding, loaders will come from far away, so the ones that were supposed to be used for Deboarding will go away.

--- End quote ---

but as i wrote...have a look at any real Airport. If a Plane arrives, there are Baggage Truck , which are loaded with Baggage and wait for the Airplne at the Position, as well as when a Plane arrives.
Therefor, can you maybe check in GSX what the user select, and when Request Boarding is selected the can loaded Baggage Trucks be displayed.
When deboarding is selectd, they can be empty.... maybe easy?


--- Quote ---Of course is correct. The whole point of allowing simultaneous servicing is to shorten turnaround time and, since refueling is the service that takes most of the time, it arrives first.

--- End quote ---

Turnaround time needs his Time, also in real. But i think even when you try to shorten the Time, the Fuel Truck should arrive BEVORE the passengers re loaded. Other sequence is not alowed in real, but i think GSX will be as real as it gets, or not ?


--- Quote ---They usually don't but, as explained so many times on the forum, vehicles are not aware of each other (you assumed this, but it would cause a big fps hit if we had each vehicle to check the position of all the others, at each frame), so we can only play with sequence of operations and time delays, which won't guarantee this will never happen.

--- End quote ---

Ahh, ok. I though every vehicle is aware of each other.


--- Quote ---Which is why, you have the option in GSX to DISABLE the "Estimate passenger number", so GSX won't try to guess their number by the weight, and will just ASK you to enter the exact number of passengers on board.

--- End quote ---

Yes i know that is possible, but not a "good" way for me, because i dont have a Keyboard in my Cockpit and i dont want it to have.
Is it so very hard to give us the possibility to set the Pax weight in the GSX Setup ?? I dont think.

Thanks at all
Torsten

torsten:
Ps: it is also during the unload of the Pax a problem, because for the unloding i can not enter a number how many pax should be unloaded.
Here only GSX is calculating the number of Pax.

So it would be very great, if you can implement this little little feature

virtuali:

--- Quote from: torsten on January 04, 2019, 05:30:45 pm ---but as i wrote...have a look at any real Airport. If a Plane arrives, there are Baggage Truck , which are loaded with Baggage and wait for the Airplne at the Position, as well as when a Plane arrives.
--- End quote ---

Sorry, no. When an airplane arrives (deboarding), loaders will be empty and will be already at the parking. When an airplane is boarding, loaders will have to take luggage from the terminal in which they were loaded, to the parking. And that's exactly how GSX is made.


--- Quote ---Turnaround time needs his Time, also in real. But i think even when you try to shorten the Time, the Fuel Truck should arrive BEVORE the passengers re loaded. Other sequence is not alowed in real, but i think GSX will be as real as it gets, or not ?
--- End quote ---

It's not certain which process will take longer, passengers or refuel.

You seem to be concentrated on the "auto mode" but, if you know what you are going to do, for example if you are sure refuel will take longer than passengers, than simply don't use "auto mode", and call refuel first.


--- Quote ---Yes i know that is possible, but not a "good" way for me, because i dont have a Keyboard in my Cockpit and i dont want it to have. Is it so very hard to give us the possibility to set the Pax weight in the GSX Setup ?? I dont think.
--- End quote ---

The Estimate passenger number is the best choice, but even better, is if the addon you use will just use the GSX documented interface to set the passenger number directly, explained in the last pages of the manual.

This is how the FS Labs A319/A320, the Leonardo Maddog X and the Aerosoft Airbus are able to set the correct passengers number without any intervention from the user so, you should ask the developer of your airplane if they could support GSX like others are doing, so you can use their addon without having to use a keyboard.

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