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some questions
virtuali:
--- Quote from: mroschk on October 12, 2018, 08:18:27 pm ---The Nosewheel have not to end in "different positions", it HAS TO END ON THE RESPECTIVE STOP LINE and not anywhere else , like in GSX now.
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You still don't understand. I haven't said the Nosewheel of an airplane will "randomly" end up in different positions, depending on who knows what. I obviously meant that DIFFERENT airplanes will have their Nosewheel ON THEIR RESPECTIVE STOP LINE. And yes, IT IS exactly how GSX works now!
--- Quote ---Pls ask a Marshaller bevore you communicate complete wrong things.
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And you first try to understand what I'm saying.
--- Quote ---Where is the Picture with a 747 stands with the Nose WHEEL over his Stop Line ???
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Here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kenjet/4383245837
As you can see, the 747 position is clearly much further ahead then the ones for the A320/737s, because the stop lines have been designed assuming it will use the jetway on the 2nd door, so it must stop much further ahead, in order to have 2nd door roughly in the same position as an A320 or a 737 would have THEIR main door, considering their smaller sizes and the different position of their own main door AND the relationship between their own main door and their own Nosewheel.
virtuali:
--- Quote ---Pssengers siting in compartments 1-4 and cargo is loaded in 5-6.
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That's PRECISELY why I said we cannot know from the simulator WHAT a payload station represents. It can be anything: a single person, a whole class of passengers, or a cargo area, without knowing if the cargo belongs to the passengers or not. A station is "just" a station.
Which means, of course, to get a ROUGH estimate of the number of passengers on board, we can only threat the SUM of all stations to represent pax+cargo, because that's the only assumption we can do about what they represent.
Which means, of course, the only calculation that makes sense, to arrive at the passenger number, is to divide this sum, that represent pax+cargo, by the average weight of a SINGLE pax+cargo, that is 220 lbs.
--- Quote ---So, if a passenger steps out of the Airplane, the Baggage did not step out with him, the Baggage is unloaded by the Belt loader.
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Now you are adding an entirely different issue, which is a complete different matter. GSX DOES NOT do progressive loading/unloading of anything. It doesn't touch the payload.
Some airplanes can do that so, only in THESE cases, assuming they would communicate with GSX, you can eventually discuss if and when luggage is loaded in relationship to the passengers. But if the airplane supports communication with GSX, it WILL just send its own Passenger Number to GSX, without any need to estimate it, and that's how it works, if the airplane supports this.
--- Quote ---With Topcat, or directly or with the P3D Dialog i can load the Pax only or Pax + her payload.
Attached you can see this. First 7 persons = 350 kg, 5-11, 12-21 and 22-30 all 10 Pax = 700 kg.
So overall = 37 Pax.
GSX calculated only 28 Pax.
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And where's their luggage ? You had 2730 kg of Pax, and 0 Kg of Cargo. Do you find realistic that 37 pax will bring *nothing* in the cargo bay ? With 2730 kg ( 6018 lbs ) in total, GSX calculated 28 passengers, which is 6018 lbs / 220.
If you added their luggage to the cargo hold, for example 50 lbs for each person (which is usually what is allowed without paying extra for checked-in baggage ), the total would have been 6018 + ( 50 lbs * 37 ) = 7868 lbs / 220 lbs = 35.7, which GSX would have rounded to 36.
mroschk:
--- Quote ---Here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kenjet/4383245837
As you can see, the 747 position is clearly much further ahead then the ones for the A320/737s
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i am sorry, but i see no 747 on that picture.
You dont understand that i say "THE NOSE WHEEL (of the Airplane) WILL NEVER STAND OVER THE RESPECTIVE LINE"
I shurely know how a Parking Stand looks like with the different Stop Lines for the different Airplanes.
But the Nose Wheel of the 737-800 will ALWAYS STAND ON THE 737-800 Stop line and the 747 at the 747 Stop Line.
If there are no different Stop lines at a Position, the Nose Wheel of EVERY AIRPLAN will end up on this Line and never go over this Line.
About the Pax, it was a example load for you.
But even, if a Pax steps out of the Airplane, he will never carry all his Baggage, The Baggage is unloaded via the Belt loader.
I also discuss ONLY about the COUNTING of the Passanger, not on how much Baggage a Pax are allowed to take with.
do not try to turn the word around in my mouth
virtuali:
--- Quote from: mroschk on October 12, 2018, 09:42:48 pm ---i am sorry, but i see no 747 on that picture.
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What difference it makes ? It shows where a 747 nosewheel is supposed to park, which is very far ahead compared to a 737, just like the diagram in the GSX manual. BECAUSE the different door position is what caused the stop positions to be different in the first place.
--- Quote ---You dont understand that i say "THE NOSE WHEEL (of the Airplane) WILL NEVER STAND OVER THE RESPECTIVE LINE"
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Why you keep repeating I "don't understand", when it's clear you don't understand me either ?
--- Quote ---But the Nose Wheel of the 737-800 will ALWAYS STAND ON THE 737-800 Stop line and the 747 at the 747 Stop Line.
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That's exactly what I said, and what I meant, and how GSX will work.
--- Quote ---If there are no different Stop lines at a Position, the Nose Wheel of EVERY AIRPLAN will end up on this Line and never go over this Line.
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This is an entirely different issue, and is not relevant. Those parking spots are usually in the open, where there's no jetway involved, so the final door position (hence the nosewheel), doesn't matter.
--- Quote ---About the Pax, it was a example load for you.
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But it was unrealistic. If you did a realistic load (people having their luggage in the cargo hold), GSX would have produced a VERY accurate estimate, 36 against your expected 37, which is of course due to 220 lbs being an *average* figure.
--- Quote ---But even, if a Pax steps out of the Airplane, he will never carry all his Baggage, The Baggage is unloaded via the Belt loader.
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Not relevant, since GSX doesn't even try to change the payload while it's boarding. It only tries to calculated a possible number of passengers based on the payload of the airplane.
If the airplane has a progressive load simulation, either GSX will work with it, so the Passenger Number will always be correct (because the AIRPLANE said so!), or it will not, so you'll have to disable the Estimate Passenger option in any case.
Changing 220 lbs constant as you suggest won't fix anything if the airplane is loading either passengers or cargo progressively.
--- Quote ---I also discuss ONLY about the COUNTING of the Passanger, not on how much Baggage a Pax are allowed to take with.
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Not sure how this is relevant. For the counting to stop, a total number of passengers must be calculated in advance.
mroschk:
--- Quote ---That's exactly what I said, and what I meant, and how GSX will work.
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YYYEEEESSSSS, but look in the first Picture ... GSX point my Nose Wheel of my 737-800 a way too far !!!
I never end on the respective line for the 738 !!!!
When i use the P3Dv4 to position my Aircraft i end up with the Nose Wheel on the Line, When i use GSX i end up too far with the nose wheel, not on the Stop Line.
Why would you not understand this.
It is not too hard to unerstand, also for you, because it seams you did not know how that works in real Live.
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